So you are adamant that 100% of all the cases are definitely some type of user error "negligent discharge"  or some type of object getting snagged in the holster or trigger causing the trigger to be depressed?

Besides the drop safety and the uncommanded discharges, there's a lot of P320's that has suffered out of battery detonations as well.

If the SIGs that have been the subject of the mad payouts were capable of discharging themselves it would be easy enough to prove that in controlled independent testing of them. That hasn't happened and the prosecution in two of the payout cases admitted that they couldn't. Almost all the noise I've heard in this has been made by social media talking heads who haven't read the judgements.

I don't believe it would be easily proved,  as there's probably a few things that need to go "wrong" in this scenario, and also I think independent testing would cost a shit load of money.

If the SIGs that have been the subject of the mad payouts were capable of discharging themselves it would be easy enough to prove that in controlled independent testing of them. That hasn't happened and the prosecution in two of the payout cases admitted that they couldn't. Almost all the noise I've heard in this has been made by social media talking heads who haven't read the judgements.

I was sceptical at first until I tried to duplicate it at the shooting range. Well, there is a very good reason for a firing pin block on subsequent models. And a good reason not to carry a pre-B unless absolutely essential.

A pre-B is far better carried cocked with the safety engaged. Getting it into a ready state in DA is an inherently dangerous procedure on its own. I'd hazard a guess that more NDs have happened doing that than due to the lack of a firing pin block.

Not quite sure what you mean "getting it into a ready state in DA". Just like any other SA/DA pistol, it is already ready. Just pull the trigger. Am I missing something?

And yes, carrying cocked and safety on is probably safer. Hell, cocked with safety off is not that much worse than a SA only pistol, provided you keep the trigger covered.

I meant with a round chambered and the hammer down such that it's ready to fire with a DA trigger pull. To achieve that with a pre-B (or any non decocker 75) you have to control the hammer down while pulling the trigger. That's an inherently risky thing to do before you get to the problems associated with the lack of a firing pin block.

I happily carry my pre-B sports gun 'cocked and locked' but you couldn't pay me enough to do so with it either cocked and unlocked or hammer down with a round chambered.

But if you have a hammer gun, for example like myself the CZ 75 SP-01 SHADOW then you have to load your magazine, chamber the round and then grab the hammer and pull the trigger to let the hammer down, as your first shot must be DA in IPSC and SADPA (IDPA), in Steel Challenge as well if I do remember correctly.

I've always personally racked my slide, then using my left index finger and thumb to grip the hammer before pulling the trigger to let the hammer down, I'm right handed, what I'm trying to say is I've seen other shooters do it with their thumb only on their strong hand, like a hollywood cowboy type method.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QhlLrUdT2Zk?feature=share

If you look closely you can actually see his finger isn't near the trigger.

https://youtu.be/ADGyglYqeoM?si=i5GSZTEfD6d2Y5GO